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Alex Potts's avatar

I'm really split on this. Obviously I agree with these points at face value, but also it completely misses the point of what "they hate queer people" is getting at. Please let me steel-man "they hate queer people", below.

The underlying point is that Gazans hating queer people is an example of a broader truth: that pro-Palestine sentiment is bifurcated into two camps which couldn't be more different - a (mostly white, western) camp that views it through the lens of decolonisation and social justice, and a (mostly Arab Muslim) camp that views it through the lens of Islamic supremacy and anti-semitism. Differing attitudes on homosexuality is but one aspect of this, though also women's rights, democracy, separation of church and state... the list of issues on which the two worldviews are irreconcilably opposed is far longer than the list of issues where they overlap. This second group is awful, supporting Palestinian liberation for all the wrong reasons, and the first group is wilfully blind to it.

Of course this still means that Gazans have human rights. The bombing is still abhorrent. But I am extremely uneasy about naive westerners linking arms with Muslim Brotherhood types, because those people ultimately *do not want the same things that western progressives want.* They don't want peace; they want violent war against Israel (which is why they celebrated October 7). At some point, if you do not distance yourselves from these people, are you marching for peace, or for war?

To quote Team America, "sometimes pussies get so full of shit that they become assholes". (For context, "pussies" = anti-war westerners, "assholes" = supporters of foreign terrorism.) This is what I fear is happening to the western branch of the Palestinian movement, if it hasn't happened already.

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Ari's avatar

This article has some good points.

My concern from what I've read is that there are protest groups that are not pro palastinian but pro hamas which is possibly what the argument based on.

Hamas in addition to being a terrorist group is also a radical islamist group that has killed Palestinians even accused of being LGBTQ+.

Gay Palestinians have been given asylum in Israel to protect them from attacks.

Unfortunately nothing is black and white.

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