I don't think I can take 8 months of madness. Trump is going to be even more unbearable and insufferable, if that's possible. And as much as I like Biden and think he's doing a great job (by, #1 surrounding himself with young capable staff and cabinet), if we're all honest, we're just holding our breath waiting for the slightest health scare. Personally, I would vote for comatose Biden over Trump no matter what, but that's just me. It is going to be so ugly in the lead up, and election night will be a level of anxiety that I fear my heart won't be able to handle. And then, whatever the result is, it will be utter and complete chaos. We're in for a very tumultuous next 10-12 months. Gird your loins.
I agree it is important not to be complacent, but: Biden outperformed his polling by 10%, 12% on margin. Trump underperformed his polling by 6%, 16% on margin.
By all means criticize Biden when he does wrong, celebrate his surprising wins as an institutionalist, and do not be complacent in the face of literal American fascism. But also it is detrimental to portray Biden as weaker than he is.
For sure. Or put another way: we all have PTSD from 2016. But I don't think there's been a ton of complacency since then. Democrats took back the house in 2018 in a blue wave, we almost impossibly took the senate in 2020, and while we lost the house in 2022 it wasn't a red wave, it was a mostly blue wall with some notable red bleeding in New York. By all means, vote like your life depends on it in 2024 because at minimum, your liberty does, and your neighbors life very well could depend on it. I hope we can all eventually psychologically recover from 2016.
Also, the Republicans nominated a Moms For Liberty nutbar for the State Superintendent of Public Instruction job in NC (Michelle Morrow), beating the current incumbent. She homeschools her kids and is an all around terrible person who was at January 6. She ran for School Board in Wake County (Raleigh) in 2022 and got her ass handed to her, but in a state-wide election I greatly fear she might win. The Democratic nominee is a school superintendent from Greensboro who seems like a lovely human, so if you know anyone in NC, talk him up (Mo Green)! And the Democratic nominee for Governor is Jewish (Josh Stein) , running against holocaust denier and Hitler lover Mark Robinson. This is going to be a shitty election season.
Howdy neighbor! I agree it’s going to be an ugly campaign season and I’m hoping Jeff Jackson’s popularity increases turnout for democrats elsewhere on the ticket. There are so many races where it feels like any loss would be a huge setback.
The math of 3 dems running against one republican was always going to get the repub over the finish line. I voted for Porter but I’m fine with Schiff although I mourn the passing of our decades of having two women senators.
The next 8 months are going to be hellish. Run up to 2022 was pretty bad with EVERY media outlet screaming red wave coming. That didn’t happen. In fact since 2018 dems have been beating maga candidates and doing pretty well. I know media is hanging on for dear life and they need turmoil and controversy and trump’s special brand of crazy to keep afloat, but at some point it’s counterproductive and destroying their brand (hello NYT and The Atlantic). I’m just going to read my Simon Rosenberg, TPM and Dan Pfeifer substacks, listen to pod Save America and stick my fingers in my ear and scream lalalalala very loudly. And if trump gets elected I will kind of mourn the passing of America (already fading quickly) and push for a Calexit.
"It is abundantly clear that former President Trump has earned the requisite support of Republican voters to be our nominee for President of the United States. It should come as no surprise that as nominee, he will have my support”
--Profile in Courage: The Addison Mitchell McConnell III Story, published 3/6/24
On Biden listening, I think the decision to airdrop aid into Gaza is a big one. I get it isn’t directly calling him out or directly condemning him, but I do think it’s far more a pointed rebuke to Netanyahu than we’ve seen publicly.
And then Israel announced they will share their early detection missile system with Ukraine and condemned Russia over the war. Given that Israel generally tries not to antagonize Russia (because they ally with so many Arab countries), I’ve wondered if that is possible condition of further support from the US depends on them sharing that. (Or else they’ve finally wised up that with aid to Israel tied to aid with Ukraine, they should show solidarity to try and get it passed.)
Yeah, absolutely. Biden doesn’t have the power to force either party to do what he wants them to like some of these protesters seem to think he does. And then these people are ignoring the geopolitics of the region and why we need allies there and that Israel has been one of our only (and also longest term) allies and throwing that away has major repercussions.
Genuinely curious if with the need(and it is an urgent need) to move away from oil, if the repercussions will be lessened if the US takes a less hands on role in the Middle East beyond the same duty to protect citizens and groups the
Could be. Although I know one issue they talk about with climate change is there will be more conflicts and migration/refugees due to lack of resources.
Hotter/drier places are going to experience a lot of that first, so even if the wars aren’t over oil, there may still be conflict in the region and outside parties will want allies or at least relationships to try and negotiate and keep those conflicts from spreading. But that does seem to be more of a humanitarian role like you’re talking about.
Why do people keep saying uncommitted was about a protest vote? I know some people who did it because of Biden’s age?
Also Schiff didn’t go after fellow Dems and focused on his GOP counterpart. Frankly Lee should have dropped off and maybe Porter could have pulled it off. But she ticked off too many Dems in CA with the crap she kept pulling and complaining. She gave up her House seat for something that was a very big long shot. Her concession speech was a mess.
Voted for Biden in VA yesterday (happily) and I saw Haley signs around my precinct. None for Trump.
Because there was a coordinated campaign to vote uncommitted as a protest for Biden's policies wrt Israel and a coordinated campaign is more significant than anecdotal outliers.
Some of the uncommitted campaigners in my local liberal moms Facebook group were celebrating uncommitted getting 12% in North Carolina last night because uncommitted got less than 2% in 2020. However the appropriate comparison is 2012 when Obama was the incumbent and uncommitted got 20% of the vote in the NC Democratic primary. To me it says a lot about these campaigns that I can’t even remember what the uncommitted voters stood for at that time.
But correlation does not equal causation. I’ve seen people breaking down the numbers and they decided if Muslim people lived there they voted against Biden. It’s dumb.
Funding and supplying a genocide that has killed 30,000 ppl (mainly civilians) inside an open air prison is also “dumb.” We’re not saying Trump would be better, we’re saying that a “democrat” who engages in monstrous evil so gleefully doesn’t deserve commitment. I wish there’d at least been a primary. I’m really tired of voting for the lesser evil when both evils are committed to killing enormous amounts of people.
Because whenever he is asked about this he laughs and says “I was taught you don’t have to be Jewish to be a hardcore Zionist.” He has been gleeful about this for decades. When Reagan was chastising Israel in 1982, Biden was so pro-Zionist and in favor of Israel’s dominion in Lebanon that even the Israeli PM at the time distanced himself from Biden. Biden literally said, regarding Zionist supremacy, he would “forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” This is history, you can look it up. He has always wanted to be an assassin on the side of Zionist supremacy.
Agreed, that's hasn't been the case at all. BUT he is still arming a government that is actively committing genocide, violating multiple international laws and targetting civilians in their blind rage after a horrendous attack was made on them.
My question to everyone is how to stop funding Israel without getting called out for being anti semitic by the media and also losing the election. Cause that is what would happen. I could never be President because I would refuse to sign any legislation providing them funding. But Congress is going to be the lever there. And if he vetoes it ten bucks he would get enough to override his veto. I can see the headlines now about Dems in disarray and Biden no friend to long term ally.
Enjoy that magical thinking - I'm sure it will offer you loads of comfort when Trump is sworn in next January and immediately decides to double arms shipments to Israel to help them "finish the job".
I'm also sure you'll feel awesome knowing you "sent a message" to Joe Biden because he just wasn't vociferous enough in criticizing Israel or couldn't unilaterally force cease fire that neither party apparently wants..
Thank you. Boggles my mind that ANYONE that cares about women’s health and the very real threat of a national abortion ban, a ban on IVF, women dying from ectopic pregnancies, overturning gay marriage, all environmental advances and gun control legislation halted, probably 2 more right wing Supreme Court justices sworn in, more tax cuts for donor class and corporations, a MASSIVE push to deport all non white migrants/immigrants and the list goes on and on, would not vote for the democratic nominee in 2024. This is a problem that has existed for decades and while Israel has made it worse, why aren’t rich middle eastern countries helping more? Been a shitshow for my whole life (and I’m old). Trump would make it a million times worse.
Ah yes, sniveling indifference to genocide. The extremely brave philosophy that defeated Nazism. [citation needed]
Or to put it as TheHyyyype did:
“stop complaining. if you don't like this country, leave. got a broken tail light? abandon your car by the side of the road. toilet not flushing? move out of your house. never try to solve any problems, just give up”
I like Katie Porter, but Schiff deserves a ton of credit for a masterful campaign. Boosting Garvey to the general - and therefore guaranteeing the win - was just brilliant. Understanding how to play the game is important; nice to see a Democrat actually doing what it takes to win.
Mark Robinson also said Black folks should pay reparations: “If you want to tell the truth about it, it is you who owes,” said Robinson during the 2021 North Carolina Republican Party Convention, seemingly referring to Black Americans. “Why do you owe? Because somebody in those fields took strikes for you. After those fields were ended and slavery was ended, somebody had to walk through Jim Crow for you. Somebody fought wars and died for you. Somebody lived less than because they didn’t have what you have, and they did it for you. There are people in their graves right now, and they are there because they were willing to stand up and fight for you.”
He, Tim Scott, and Byron Douglas send me into rages that are hard to let go.
"After those fields were ended and slavery was ended, somebody had to walk through Jim Crow for you. Somebody fought wars and died for you"
That is nutz. If I was a descendant of RJ Reynolds plantation slaves and Thomas Jefferson slaves, I would be working on a class action suit right now. If he believes in corporations, he should believe in profit sharing.
These Haley voters saying they won't vote for Trump? Full of shit. Jordan Klepper interviewed a group of these folks in South Carolina who all had terrible things to say about TFG and in less than one minute, when it was between him and Biden, all said they'd vote for...okay, guess who? I'll give you three guesses and Biden and third party don't count.
The media coverage of these "races" are ridiculous. These outcomes are more of a sure thing than Rafa Nadal at the French Open has been for the last 15 years.
The only thing that would have made Super Tuesday live up to its name is if TFG had suffered a massive KFC/Mickey Ds overdose/fatal coronary. But, hell, I'll settle for a Super Wednesday or Thursday. Make it Super Friday so I'd have the weekend to recover from my Friday night celebratory drink-a-thon.
But I have a question, and it's probably stupid and you can feel free to call me a dumb-dumb. Why is the RNC all in on Trump? "He helps them win" no he doesn't, everyone Trump endorses loses. Are they just at the point where they're close enough to seizing absolute power forever that they figure they don't need to care about getting votes? Does he bring in so much money that they're all going to be billionaires even after they pay his astronomical legal bills? He seems like poison and I don't get it.
It's the old tail wagging the dog recipe. The RNC leadership is following the so-called base instead of even trying to support an alternate strategy. Plus, you have to add a heaping helping of pants-shitting cowardice. No one will say out loud that Trump doesn't desere their money. Lara Trump is going to be part of the new leadership team ferchrissakes.
I don't think its tail wagging the dog - that assumes the RNC (or DNC for that matter) has more power than it does. Trump's popularity with the GOP base has effectively neutered the RNC in such a way that it couldn't stand up to him even if it wanted to.
As much as the fiction of the DNC rigging the primary against Sanders in 2016 was treated as fact (yet another example of Democrat's incredible capacity for self-flagellation) , the reality is that if Bernie had actually won the primaries, the DNC machinery would've backed him the same as Hilary. The only job of the RNC/DNC is to help win elections, and that typically means aligning with the preferred candidate of your supporters - specifically the Presidential candidate who tends to act as the de facto party leader. And given that most GOP voters don't even think Trump lost in 2020, why would the RNC look elsewhere?
First, he's stacked the deck. He may be a jackass, but he's actively purged and put loyalists in to the RNC and other Party jobs over the last 4-8 years. He's also made candidates fight uphill battles either by restricting their donations through organization games and public messaging and/or forced them to spend money in primaries.
Second, and it's kind of part of the first point, his base is always angry and vocal. Keeping them either satisfied or keeping them at bay is a full-time job in itself. Kinda hard to have your own messages or goals when you have the hordes of meth monkeys infesting your support groups.
At least we can end the farce that primaries meant anything this year. Watching Trump supporters trumpet wins in Iowa, South Carolina, and various other states as if they were triumphs instead of foregone conclusions is a reminder that the bar is always lower for sleazebags like him.
I don't understand why we're even talking about Democratic primaries when the incumbent President is a Democrat. I don't seem to recall similarly breathless stories about meaningless primaries when Bill Clinton or Obama were going for their second terms, or even Trump for that matter - I don't recall reading a single article about how he was "winning" GOP primaries in 2020. So why is the media so determined to pretend that there is some magical Democratic candidate just waiting to knock off Biden? This is the bullshit being proliferated amongst Democratic voters that's going to put Trump in office - time to wake the f**K up and realize what's actually at stake here.
And who gives a shit about Trump underperforming his polling - they'll all still vote "R" come November and anyone telling a pollster otherwise is lying.
Most of the people freaking out about Biden running a second term, sans those who are hoping he loses so it kick starts a lefty revolution or something, are very well aware of what's actually at stake here. That's why we're freaking out. Telling people to knock it off and just accept Biden isn't going to make anyone feel different
Sorry, but pretzel logic like that is exactly why we tell you to knock it off and grow up. Voting is an adult responsibility and it requires serious people - not a bunch of dilletantes who are "freaking out" about Biden while concurrently "well aware of what's at stake" yet somehow still acting as if there is a 3rd option - or even attempting to articulate what that would be You can't seriously say you're well aware of what's at stake while concurrently seeking to undermine Biden and weaken his chances in the general, so miss me with that bullsh*t please.
Don't talk down to me, all I did was explain why many of us are reacting the way we are, and I don't care if you roll around like a pig in your own bullshit all day long, I hardly need to hit you with my own, so you can spare me the lecture about the stakes. You're right, voting is an adult responsibility and I intend to exercise it. So is having a serious conversation about the viability of the candidate and the electoral process, one that I also intend to exercise. Plenty of people have articulated a plan, one you might think is absurd but it's still been articulated - if Biden were to drop now it would most likely be a brokered convention. Conventions are still how we technically decide nominees and all the mechanisms are still there, and many candidates would be willing to jump in if Biden isn't running. It's a long shot, but it's not out of the question. LBJ could have run for a second term but didn't because of political pressure over the Vietnam war. But go ahead and tell me to grow up, it's for sure going to change my opinion
That's not a plan, that's wishful thinking. That's how conventions technically work, that's not how they work in practise. There is no real world scenario in which a brokered convention is happening. Biden isn't stepping down, and moreso there is NO ONE stepping up.
But that aside, I find it interesting that you cited the precedent of LBJ in 1968, because what happened when he stepped aside? Oh right, Humphery as VP stepped in an won the nomination, and got his ass kicked by Nixon and as is literal footnote in history. Because again, who do you think is stepping up in this imagined scenario that can actually win enough votes to secure a nomination and make any difference vs Trump?
Oh and lest we forget, after forcing out LBJ (who was by any measure an extremely savvy politicians who also helped shepherd in some of the most significant Civil Rights legislation in US history) and Nixon won anyway, the Vietnam War continued on nonetheless and damn near broke the country. And that was with a GOP President who actually believed in democracy and in the Constitution and machinery of government. Remember too, that the reason Nixon left was because the GOP turned on him when the impeachment hearings were coming - he was willing to fight the Dems but when his own party turned on him he knew he was done. And even then that only happened after he won a second term with an historical ass-kicking over McGovern, who was the preferred candidate of the left wing of the Dems.
Interesting about LBJ was that RFK had also just announced he was running and Johnson and Kennedy family had lots of past history. I was in junior high school and actually saw RFK in Los Angeles (Greek theatre) two days before he was shot. Now we have another RFK running around, but this one is absolutely crazy. The 60’s were crazy scary times and probably good there was no internet or social media…
Actually a very very real scenario where Biden steps down is a health crisis, which given actuary tables for an 81 year old is not unthinkable. Look, there’s an example! Or would you prefer your own wishful thinking? This conversation is happening whether or not you like it, his age will be capitalized by Trump who is unfairly getting a pass for his own age from now until Nov. I think Dems facing the reality dead on is better than ignoring it. You don’t I guess. Anyways, this is now a pointless comment section fight where neither side will change their opinion, so have good one.
So I'm confused - is the issue Biden's age or his stance on Gaza, because here I thought the so-called "uncommitted strategy" was tied to his age but now its something different?
And sure, Biden could have a health issue and have to step down, but that could happen to someone 20 years younger as well., RFK was front runner in 1968, remember? But seeming to base an entire voting strategy on that weirdly specific outcome is stupid.
And you wonder why I make comments about people needing to be adults about their voting choices. You're not giving me much confidence in the future of this country.
Yes yes I know you need to stay dialed in and whatever else, but I’m promising you: check it out. Eithe he will win or he won’t but staying scared 8 months won’t help so. Just do what our parents do and ignore the state of the world. Either it’ll all work out or it won’t. My absolute favorite Bible verse as a fallen agnostic is what can you change by worrying. NOTHING. Yolo. We will be fine. Or we won’t.
I agree with this. I stated somewhere else that I'm not worried about the presidential election. If after all of the harm that monster inflicted it (because 45 isn't human so gets no human pronoun) is reelected, then we (and by we I don't mean individuals, but the country with its electoral college, which while effed up can be overcome if enough people get out and vote) will have gotten what we deserve.
I'm not as serene about house, senate, and some state elections, but am working on it.
I’m in a state of panic but also feel like trump will lose and the more crazy maga candidates out there the better for the dems. What does blow me away is hearing on a podcast that only 30% of respondents think that trump had anything to do with Roe being overturned. Holy hell, people are dumb and uninformed.
This is my strategy these days, too. I vote in all elections, I contribute what I can when I can (money, time, energy) but then I have to let it go. I have a friend who loves to send me all these gloom-and-doom tiktoks about super-viruses and the patriarchy and whatnot, and finally I was like "LOOK. I KNOW these things are going on. I am AWARE. But there is NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT at 2am while I am in bed. Or any other time, really, aside from what I'm already doing. So PLEASE STOP."
Exactly! I'll vote, I might give money, I may even volunteer, but worrying about it won't do anything. Not a single thing. It's not that I'm apathetic, not at all, I just appreciate the limit of what I can actually do. The world may indeed go to hell but my sleepless nights won't change that.
This is also the appropriate response to climate change. Do what you can to your ability and then let it go. The world will be what it will be
My current fear - Most of these "never trump" Republican voters are currently live in blue states. I now see a world in which trump wins with the largest gap between electoral college vs pop vote ever recorded.
NC is not a 'blue' state (specifically mentioned above as having Haley voters very dissatisfied with Trump). Of course, I'd bet a good portion of the Haley voters were people like my husband, who is unaffiliated and cast a protest vote for Haley against Trump in the Republican primary. He'll def vote for Biden in the general. Hopefully many others do the same.
That we don’t have a popular vote winner is a crime. Electoral college was literally created for slave states to have more power in 1770’s. Country is really messed up.
I don't think I can take 8 months of madness. Trump is going to be even more unbearable and insufferable, if that's possible. And as much as I like Biden and think he's doing a great job (by, #1 surrounding himself with young capable staff and cabinet), if we're all honest, we're just holding our breath waiting for the slightest health scare. Personally, I would vote for comatose Biden over Trump no matter what, but that's just me. It is going to be so ugly in the lead up, and election night will be a level of anxiety that I fear my heart won't be able to handle. And then, whatever the result is, it will be utter and complete chaos. We're in for a very tumultuous next 10-12 months. Gird your loins.
I agree it is important not to be complacent, but: Biden outperformed his polling by 10%, 12% on margin. Trump underperformed his polling by 6%, 16% on margin.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RFxZDWp2MbKZCO-iUefO7fkOJ0ftAbjINeYIII2FHQk/edit#gid=159920312
By all means criticize Biden when he does wrong, celebrate his surprising wins as an institutionalist, and do not be complacent in the face of literal American fascism. But also it is detrimental to portray Biden as weaker than he is.
We have been seeing people learn from the consequences of complacency, I think.
For sure. Or put another way: we all have PTSD from 2016. But I don't think there's been a ton of complacency since then. Democrats took back the house in 2018 in a blue wave, we almost impossibly took the senate in 2020, and while we lost the house in 2022 it wasn't a red wave, it was a mostly blue wall with some notable red bleeding in New York. By all means, vote like your life depends on it in 2024 because at minimum, your liberty does, and your neighbors life very well could depend on it. I hope we can all eventually psychologically recover from 2016.
Also, the Republicans nominated a Moms For Liberty nutbar for the State Superintendent of Public Instruction job in NC (Michelle Morrow), beating the current incumbent. She homeschools her kids and is an all around terrible person who was at January 6. She ran for School Board in Wake County (Raleigh) in 2022 and got her ass handed to her, but in a state-wide election I greatly fear she might win. The Democratic nominee is a school superintendent from Greensboro who seems like a lovely human, so if you know anyone in NC, talk him up (Mo Green)! And the Democratic nominee for Governor is Jewish (Josh Stein) , running against holocaust denier and Hitler lover Mark Robinson. This is going to be a shitty election season.
Howdy neighbor! I agree it’s going to be an ugly campaign season and I’m hoping Jeff Jackson’s popularity increases turnout for democrats elsewhere on the ticket. There are so many races where it feels like any loss would be a huge setback.
The math of 3 dems running against one republican was always going to get the repub over the finish line. I voted for Porter but I’m fine with Schiff although I mourn the passing of our decades of having two women senators.
The next 8 months are going to be hellish. Run up to 2022 was pretty bad with EVERY media outlet screaming red wave coming. That didn’t happen. In fact since 2018 dems have been beating maga candidates and doing pretty well. I know media is hanging on for dear life and they need turmoil and controversy and trump’s special brand of crazy to keep afloat, but at some point it’s counterproductive and destroying their brand (hello NYT and The Atlantic). I’m just going to read my Simon Rosenberg, TPM and Dan Pfeifer substacks, listen to pod Save America and stick my fingers in my ear and scream lalalalala very loudly. And if trump gets elected I will kind of mourn the passing of America (already fading quickly) and push for a Calexit.
Can we be friends. I cosign all of what you say.
"It is abundantly clear that former President Trump has earned the requisite support of Republican voters to be our nominee for President of the United States. It should come as no surprise that as nominee, he will have my support”
--Profile in Courage: The Addison Mitchell McConnell III Story, published 3/6/24
Moscow Mitch, never finding that bottom.
I hate that Turtle.
On Biden listening, I think the decision to airdrop aid into Gaza is a big one. I get it isn’t directly calling him out or directly condemning him, but I do think it’s far more a pointed rebuke to Netanyahu than we’ve seen publicly.
And then Israel announced they will share their early detection missile system with Ukraine and condemned Russia over the war. Given that Israel generally tries not to antagonize Russia (because they ally with so many Arab countries), I’ve wondered if that is possible condition of further support from the US depends on them sharing that. (Or else they’ve finally wised up that with aid to Israel tied to aid with Ukraine, they should show solidarity to try and get it passed.)
I mean he was trying to thread a needle with our ally who is a piss of shit. Biden and Harris seem done with him and are going around him.
Yeah, absolutely. Biden doesn’t have the power to force either party to do what he wants them to like some of these protesters seem to think he does. And then these people are ignoring the geopolitics of the region and why we need allies there and that Israel has been one of our only (and also longest term) allies and throwing that away has major repercussions.
Genuinely curious if with the need(and it is an urgent need) to move away from oil, if the repercussions will be lessened if the US takes a less hands on role in the Middle East beyond the same duty to protect citizens and groups the
rest of interational community has.
Could be. Although I know one issue they talk about with climate change is there will be more conflicts and migration/refugees due to lack of resources.
Hotter/drier places are going to experience a lot of that first, so even if the wars aren’t over oil, there may still be conflict in the region and outside parties will want allies or at least relationships to try and negotiate and keep those conflicts from spreading. But that does seem to be more of a humanitarian role like you’re talking about.
Meant piece there.
Yet piss seems appropriate.
Why do people keep saying uncommitted was about a protest vote? I know some people who did it because of Biden’s age?
Also Schiff didn’t go after fellow Dems and focused on his GOP counterpart. Frankly Lee should have dropped off and maybe Porter could have pulled it off. But she ticked off too many Dems in CA with the crap she kept pulling and complaining. She gave up her House seat for something that was a very big long shot. Her concession speech was a mess.
Voted for Biden in VA yesterday (happily) and I saw Haley signs around my precinct. None for Trump.
Because there was a coordinated campaign to vote uncommitted as a protest for Biden's policies wrt Israel and a coordinated campaign is more significant than anecdotal outliers.
Some of the uncommitted campaigners in my local liberal moms Facebook group were celebrating uncommitted getting 12% in North Carolina last night because uncommitted got less than 2% in 2020. However the appropriate comparison is 2012 when Obama was the incumbent and uncommitted got 20% of the vote in the NC Democratic primary. To me it says a lot about these campaigns that I can’t even remember what the uncommitted voters stood for at that time.
Same. I was like um not everyone is doing it for the same thing.
But correlation does not equal causation. I’ve seen people breaking down the numbers and they decided if Muslim people lived there they voted against Biden. It’s dumb.
Funding and supplying a genocide that has killed 30,000 ppl (mainly civilians) inside an open air prison is also “dumb.” We’re not saying Trump would be better, we’re saying that a “democrat” who engages in monstrous evil so gleefully doesn’t deserve commitment. I wish there’d at least been a primary. I’m really tired of voting for the lesser evil when both evils are committed to killing enormous amounts of people.
When has Biden been gleeful about Israel killing Palestinians???
Because whenever he is asked about this he laughs and says “I was taught you don’t have to be Jewish to be a hardcore Zionist.” He has been gleeful about this for decades. When Reagan was chastising Israel in 1982, Biden was so pro-Zionist and in favor of Israel’s dominion in Lebanon that even the Israeli PM at the time distanced himself from Biden. Biden literally said, regarding Zionist supremacy, he would “forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” This is history, you can look it up. He has always wanted to be an assassin on the side of Zionist supremacy.
Agreed, that's hasn't been the case at all. BUT he is still arming a government that is actively committing genocide, violating multiple international laws and targetting civilians in their blind rage after a horrendous attack was made on them.
My question to everyone is how to stop funding Israel without getting called out for being anti semitic by the media and also losing the election. Cause that is what would happen. I could never be President because I would refuse to sign any legislation providing them funding. But Congress is going to be the lever there. And if he vetoes it ten bucks he would get enough to override his veto. I can see the headlines now about Dems in disarray and Biden no friend to long term ally.
Enjoy that magical thinking - I'm sure it will offer you loads of comfort when Trump is sworn in next January and immediately decides to double arms shipments to Israel to help them "finish the job".
I'm also sure you'll feel awesome knowing you "sent a message" to Joe Biden because he just wasn't vociferous enough in criticizing Israel or couldn't unilaterally force cease fire that neither party apparently wants..
Thank you. Boggles my mind that ANYONE that cares about women’s health and the very real threat of a national abortion ban, a ban on IVF, women dying from ectopic pregnancies, overturning gay marriage, all environmental advances and gun control legislation halted, probably 2 more right wing Supreme Court justices sworn in, more tax cuts for donor class and corporations, a MASSIVE push to deport all non white migrants/immigrants and the list goes on and on, would not vote for the democratic nominee in 2024. This is a problem that has existed for decades and while Israel has made it worse, why aren’t rich middle eastern countries helping more? Been a shitshow for my whole life (and I’m old). Trump would make it a million times worse.
Ah yes, sniveling indifference to genocide. The extremely brave philosophy that defeated Nazism. [citation needed]
Or to put it as TheHyyyype did:
“stop complaining. if you don't like this country, leave. got a broken tail light? abandon your car by the side of the road. toilet not flushing? move out of your house. never try to solve any problems, just give up”
I like Katie Porter, but Schiff deserves a ton of credit for a masterful campaign. Boosting Garvey to the general - and therefore guaranteeing the win - was just brilliant. Understanding how to play the game is important; nice to see a Democrat actually doing what it takes to win.
Mark Robinson also said Black folks should pay reparations: “If you want to tell the truth about it, it is you who owes,” said Robinson during the 2021 North Carolina Republican Party Convention, seemingly referring to Black Americans. “Why do you owe? Because somebody in those fields took strikes for you. After those fields were ended and slavery was ended, somebody had to walk through Jim Crow for you. Somebody fought wars and died for you. Somebody lived less than because they didn’t have what you have, and they did it for you. There are people in their graves right now, and they are there because they were willing to stand up and fight for you.”
He, Tim Scott, and Byron Douglas send me into rages that are hard to let go.
I want to fight those assholes. I hope Robinson and Tricia Corhern get their asses handed to them.
"After those fields were ended and slavery was ended, somebody had to walk through Jim Crow for you. Somebody fought wars and died for you"
That is nutz. If I was a descendant of RJ Reynolds plantation slaves and Thomas Jefferson slaves, I would be working on a class action suit right now. If he believes in corporations, he should believe in profit sharing.
These Haley voters saying they won't vote for Trump? Full of shit. Jordan Klepper interviewed a group of these folks in South Carolina who all had terrible things to say about TFG and in less than one minute, when it was between him and Biden, all said they'd vote for...okay, guess who? I'll give you three guesses and Biden and third party don't count.
The media coverage of these "races" are ridiculous. These outcomes are more of a sure thing than Rafa Nadal at the French Open has been for the last 15 years.
The only thing that would have made Super Tuesday live up to its name is if TFG had suffered a massive KFC/Mickey Ds overdose/fatal coronary. But, hell, I'll settle for a Super Wednesday or Thursday. Make it Super Friday so I'd have the weekend to recover from my Friday night celebratory drink-a-thon.
Actually prefer he keel over in a jail cell. #dreambig
Heather Cox Richardson's letter last night was heavy on the "why are people not paying attention?":
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-5-2024-tuesday
But I have a question, and it's probably stupid and you can feel free to call me a dumb-dumb. Why is the RNC all in on Trump? "He helps them win" no he doesn't, everyone Trump endorses loses. Are they just at the point where they're close enough to seizing absolute power forever that they figure they don't need to care about getting votes? Does he bring in so much money that they're all going to be billionaires even after they pay his astronomical legal bills? He seems like poison and I don't get it.
It's the old tail wagging the dog recipe. The RNC leadership is following the so-called base instead of even trying to support an alternate strategy. Plus, you have to add a heaping helping of pants-shitting cowardice. No one will say out loud that Trump doesn't desere their money. Lara Trump is going to be part of the new leadership team ferchrissakes.
I don't think its tail wagging the dog - that assumes the RNC (or DNC for that matter) has more power than it does. Trump's popularity with the GOP base has effectively neutered the RNC in such a way that it couldn't stand up to him even if it wanted to.
As much as the fiction of the DNC rigging the primary against Sanders in 2016 was treated as fact (yet another example of Democrat's incredible capacity for self-flagellation) , the reality is that if Bernie had actually won the primaries, the DNC machinery would've backed him the same as Hilary. The only job of the RNC/DNC is to help win elections, and that typically means aligning with the preferred candidate of your supporters - specifically the Presidential candidate who tends to act as the de facto party leader. And given that most GOP voters don't even think Trump lost in 2020, why would the RNC look elsewhere?
First, he's stacked the deck. He may be a jackass, but he's actively purged and put loyalists in to the RNC and other Party jobs over the last 4-8 years. He's also made candidates fight uphill battles either by restricting their donations through organization games and public messaging and/or forced them to spend money in primaries.
Second, and it's kind of part of the first point, his base is always angry and vocal. Keeping them either satisfied or keeping them at bay is a full-time job in itself. Kinda hard to have your own messages or goals when you have the hordes of meth monkeys infesting your support groups.
At least we can end the farce that primaries meant anything this year. Watching Trump supporters trumpet wins in Iowa, South Carolina, and various other states as if they were triumphs instead of foregone conclusions is a reminder that the bar is always lower for sleazebags like him.
I don't understand why we're even talking about Democratic primaries when the incumbent President is a Democrat. I don't seem to recall similarly breathless stories about meaningless primaries when Bill Clinton or Obama were going for their second terms, or even Trump for that matter - I don't recall reading a single article about how he was "winning" GOP primaries in 2020. So why is the media so determined to pretend that there is some magical Democratic candidate just waiting to knock off Biden? This is the bullshit being proliferated amongst Democratic voters that's going to put Trump in office - time to wake the f**K up and realize what's actually at stake here.
And who gives a shit about Trump underperforming his polling - they'll all still vote "R" come November and anyone telling a pollster otherwise is lying.
Most of the people freaking out about Biden running a second term, sans those who are hoping he loses so it kick starts a lefty revolution or something, are very well aware of what's actually at stake here. That's why we're freaking out. Telling people to knock it off and just accept Biden isn't going to make anyone feel different
Sorry, but pretzel logic like that is exactly why we tell you to knock it off and grow up. Voting is an adult responsibility and it requires serious people - not a bunch of dilletantes who are "freaking out" about Biden while concurrently "well aware of what's at stake" yet somehow still acting as if there is a 3rd option - or even attempting to articulate what that would be You can't seriously say you're well aware of what's at stake while concurrently seeking to undermine Biden and weaken his chances in the general, so miss me with that bullsh*t please.
Don't talk down to me, all I did was explain why many of us are reacting the way we are, and I don't care if you roll around like a pig in your own bullshit all day long, I hardly need to hit you with my own, so you can spare me the lecture about the stakes. You're right, voting is an adult responsibility and I intend to exercise it. So is having a serious conversation about the viability of the candidate and the electoral process, one that I also intend to exercise. Plenty of people have articulated a plan, one you might think is absurd but it's still been articulated - if Biden were to drop now it would most likely be a brokered convention. Conventions are still how we technically decide nominees and all the mechanisms are still there, and many candidates would be willing to jump in if Biden isn't running. It's a long shot, but it's not out of the question. LBJ could have run for a second term but didn't because of political pressure over the Vietnam war. But go ahead and tell me to grow up, it's for sure going to change my opinion
That's not a plan, that's wishful thinking. That's how conventions technically work, that's not how they work in practise. There is no real world scenario in which a brokered convention is happening. Biden isn't stepping down, and moreso there is NO ONE stepping up.
But that aside, I find it interesting that you cited the precedent of LBJ in 1968, because what happened when he stepped aside? Oh right, Humphery as VP stepped in an won the nomination, and got his ass kicked by Nixon and as is literal footnote in history. Because again, who do you think is stepping up in this imagined scenario that can actually win enough votes to secure a nomination and make any difference vs Trump?
Oh and lest we forget, after forcing out LBJ (who was by any measure an extremely savvy politicians who also helped shepherd in some of the most significant Civil Rights legislation in US history) and Nixon won anyway, the Vietnam War continued on nonetheless and damn near broke the country. And that was with a GOP President who actually believed in democracy and in the Constitution and machinery of government. Remember too, that the reason Nixon left was because the GOP turned on him when the impeachment hearings were coming - he was willing to fight the Dems but when his own party turned on him he knew he was done. And even then that only happened after he won a second term with an historical ass-kicking over McGovern, who was the preferred candidate of the left wing of the Dems.
But sure, great example for making your point.
Interesting about LBJ was that RFK had also just announced he was running and Johnson and Kennedy family had lots of past history. I was in junior high school and actually saw RFK in Los Angeles (Greek theatre) two days before he was shot. Now we have another RFK running around, but this one is absolutely crazy. The 60’s were crazy scary times and probably good there was no internet or social media…
Actually a very very real scenario where Biden steps down is a health crisis, which given actuary tables for an 81 year old is not unthinkable. Look, there’s an example! Or would you prefer your own wishful thinking? This conversation is happening whether or not you like it, his age will be capitalized by Trump who is unfairly getting a pass for his own age from now until Nov. I think Dems facing the reality dead on is better than ignoring it. You don’t I guess. Anyways, this is now a pointless comment section fight where neither side will change their opinion, so have good one.
So I'm confused - is the issue Biden's age or his stance on Gaza, because here I thought the so-called "uncommitted strategy" was tied to his age but now its something different?
And sure, Biden could have a health issue and have to step down, but that could happen to someone 20 years younger as well., RFK was front runner in 1968, remember? But seeming to base an entire voting strategy on that weirdly specific outcome is stupid.
And you wonder why I make comments about people needing to be adults about their voting choices. You're not giving me much confidence in the future of this country.
Have a nice evening.
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Yes yes I know you need to stay dialed in and whatever else, but I’m promising you: check it out. Eithe he will win or he won’t but staying scared 8 months won’t help so. Just do what our parents do and ignore the state of the world. Either it’ll all work out or it won’t. My absolute favorite Bible verse as a fallen agnostic is what can you change by worrying. NOTHING. Yolo. We will be fine. Or we won’t.
I agree with this. I stated somewhere else that I'm not worried about the presidential election. If after all of the harm that monster inflicted it (because 45 isn't human so gets no human pronoun) is reelected, then we (and by we I don't mean individuals, but the country with its electoral college, which while effed up can be overcome if enough people get out and vote) will have gotten what we deserve.
I'm not as serene about house, senate, and some state elections, but am working on it.
I’m in a state of panic but also feel like trump will lose and the more crazy maga candidates out there the better for the dems. What does blow me away is hearing on a podcast that only 30% of respondents think that trump had anything to do with Roe being overturned. Holy hell, people are dumb and uninformed.
This is my strategy these days, too. I vote in all elections, I contribute what I can when I can (money, time, energy) but then I have to let it go. I have a friend who loves to send me all these gloom-and-doom tiktoks about super-viruses and the patriarchy and whatnot, and finally I was like "LOOK. I KNOW these things are going on. I am AWARE. But there is NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT at 2am while I am in bed. Or any other time, really, aside from what I'm already doing. So PLEASE STOP."
Exactly! I'll vote, I might give money, I may even volunteer, but worrying about it won't do anything. Not a single thing. It's not that I'm apathetic, not at all, I just appreciate the limit of what I can actually do. The world may indeed go to hell but my sleepless nights won't change that.
This is also the appropriate response to climate change. Do what you can to your ability and then let it go. The world will be what it will be
My current fear - Most of these "never trump" Republican voters are currently live in blue states. I now see a world in which trump wins with the largest gap between electoral college vs pop vote ever recorded.
NC is not a 'blue' state (specifically mentioned above as having Haley voters very dissatisfied with Trump). Of course, I'd bet a good portion of the Haley voters were people like my husband, who is unaffiliated and cast a protest vote for Haley against Trump in the Republican primary. He'll def vote for Biden in the general. Hopefully many others do the same.
Either blue states or really red states that have no chance of going for Biden. It's, like always, going to come down to 5 swing states.
That we don’t have a popular vote winner is a crime. Electoral college was literally created for slave states to have more power in 1770’s. Country is really messed up.