I am so fucking sick of people using "It was only a joke" as a defense for their shitty politics and opinions. Loomer said her curry comment was "just as joke" and now Musk is saying his comments about no one targeting Biden or Harris for assassination was also "a joke."
It should go without saying that if you think an assassination attempt is fertile ground for comedy, touch grass.
Or else like the New Hampshire Libertarian party who xitted out that Harris and Walz should be assassinated and then hid behind the (extremely wrong) position that calling for a politician's assassination was covered by the first amendment.
I mean, they can SAY it. Just don't expect to dodge consequences for it.
But, then again, this IS the Libertarian party we're talking about. They want all the benefits of living in a society without the responsibility of contributing to it.
FFS, and just saw that they then deleted it because "even on a 'free speech' website, Libertarians can't speak freely" and they are "truly the most oppressed minority."
The irony of Elon mocking the assassination attempt is that by downplaying it to Trump's supporters it likely doesn't give him the boost it might otherwise, and the media will move on soon enough since there isn't much to it. Which is just further evidence of how much of an idiot he is who is just desperate to be liked.
And Loomer making curry jokes? The only people who are buying the "just joking" nonsense are already firmly ensconced in Trump World, but the rest, including those who insist on believing the the GOP aren't "really" racist are seeing in real time just how much bullshit that has always been, as well as noting that JD Vance would rather suck up to Trump and his side piece than show his wife and children a little dignity by at least calling it out. But then this a guy who can't walk into a donut shop without acting like someone who has never interacted with a human being before, so there's that......
Dude, the threats and assasination attempts are coming from inside the house. It's republican on republican violence. Congrats on punching yourself in the face here.
I said it in 2020 and I'll say it now: if you are undecided about who you're voting for this election, you are either one of the most uninformed dipshits on the face of the planet, or a liar. These people are all voting for Trump. They just want to wring their hands and act like it was a hard choice.
I talked to my dad recently and he declared himself a never Trumper after voting for him twice before. January 6th and the last 4 years thankfully opened his eyes and hes finally realized Trump was as shitty as I always said he was. I am glad he came around but wish more people could have done so sooner.
“Undecided” voters also mean people who want attention, like that guy from the post-DNC panel who said Harris' speech made him decide to vote for Trump or some guy who said he was “considering” voting for Harris, but her supposed “lack of clarity” during the debate made him switch to Trump.
Oh, they definitely want attention and to be on television. And our idiot media indulges them like they're serious people rather than the type who would've signed up for the Jerry Springer show 15-20 years ago.
I think there are undecided voters who are former/current Republicans who have decided that they won't vote for Trump but haven't decided if they will vote for Harris--so they are undecided between not voting for any candidate for president or voting Harris. Anyone who is even considering voting Trump is not undecided.
I don't know why, but the I hate Taylor tweet (or wherever he posted it) was honestly the most unhinged thing, for me, of alllll the unhinged things lately. Like, it's SO insane that he thinks acting like a 14 year old writing in a burn book is a good look on him?! And, that he keeps drawing attention to the fact that the biggest star in the world endorsed his opponent. Even for someone that is SO sick in the head, the fact that his addled brain, plus his sycophant loser team, thought this was a GOOD thing to do?! What the hell...
And these 'undecided' voters. Come on now. They are not undecided. Nobody is. I just don't believe it. These people that are like, I want to see DETAILED policy points from Kamala, would A) never read or digest them, and B) even if they did, they would still say it's not enough. And it's easy for a liar to say he has a plan, not so easy for someone who IS NOT a liar to lay out an actual plan that would work for inflation, without filling us all with a bunch of BS. Sure, these people might believe Trump has a 'plan', but all his plan is, is bitching and blaming. That's not a plan. He just sounds angry about it, so people think he can solve it. Because people are stupid. God I hate this all so much.
I trust Harris not to make empty promises about getting prices down. Corporate greed is the root of the steep increases, but that piece of honesty doesn't sell. Mean while, Trump lies about everything and the knuckle draggers in his cult buy it hook, line, and sinker. Harris needs to keep calling him out on his garbage bromides about tax cuts and tariffs everyday.
Try telling a bunch of Indiana rednecks that their grocery bills are the reward of unfettered capitalism. Isn't this what you wanted?! Isn't capitalism GLORIOUS. Kinda like blaming Pete B. for privately-owned train derailments.... this is what happens when you demonized regulation.
Can you show us how there was no corporate greed before the price increases and then corporate greed appeared and caused the price increases?
You seem to not understand that when you see a change in an outcome like the rate of inflation, you have to show that the cause you're attributing it to also changed prior to the outcome. That's called "cause and effect".
I can't watch those panels with "undecided voters" anymore. It's just a bunch of "people who want to vote for Trump but don't want their sane friends and family members to uninvite them to Thanksgiving voters".
"The holdouts — as in so many situations I’ve seen — are waiting for Harris to announce a plan that will cater to their individual needs."
This, EXACTLY, and this is why I have nothing but weary, eye-rolling contempt for "undecided voters."
Just change "undecided" to "insufficiently ass-kissed, entitled, narcissistic, everything-that's-wrong-with-2024-America" voters.
Hey, mushroom cap - NEWSFLASH: You're not shopping for financing on a new truck. You're not trying to decide which HOA president is going to bring better food trucks to the bocce courts and lower the snowplowing bill. OTHER PEOPLE'S NEEDS MATTER.
If you want to pinpoint what makes ugly Americans ugly, it's that we have "consumers" in lieu of citizens.
Encourage the undecided voters in your life to make the smart choice, and stay home. If they're still genuinely wrestling with whether to put a 78-yr-old man who tweets "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT" (what the actual f***???!!!) in charge of The Button, they're too stupid for responsible self-government.
The goddamned whining entitlement is overwhelming. Not one of these head-up-their-own-ass losers are looking at building a healthy community -- it's all about zeroing in on as much of the pie they can get. "What about my SUBSIDIES! I don't want *brown* neighbors!"
I had to turn off Pod Save America's latest because they were all in on the polling data, undecided voters, and reaching out these yahoos because in their minds it's always 1992 or 2008 and their brains have been colonized by David Axlerod and Paul Begala. All the undecided voters are white voters, either rural or suburban and their main point of contention is that Kamala hasn't made them feel like the special little ponies they are. It's tiring. Really tiring. These are clearly Republicans who know that their candidate is a barking loon, and are pining for the days when the quiet part was exactly that. The endless whining about how the debate was unfair is undercut a bit by the profound silence about the last debate, which was fiiiiine. Just like the 2016 election was fiiiine and 2020 was obviously a crazily corrupt abomination because their guy lost. Roy Cohn's awful strategies and tactics are reaching out from the grave to destroy the country. 10 years of this and now the Trumpies are complaining about a lack of civility in the public sphere? The endless noise of conspiracies, complaints, and bullshit has resulted in exactly what Steve Bannon wanted: complete chaos. Because MAGA only thrives in chaos.
Not sure I can post. But if you live in California you can get the NYT for free at the ibrary. Online NYT. They are not especially pro -Trump. The op-eds have many POVs.
Most undecided voters are people who normally vote for Republicans but don't like Donald Trump. They are undecided because they want to vote for him, but cannot bring themselves to vote for a Democrat, a Black person, and/pr a woman. It could be all three things holding them back, or just one. When it comes down to it, they will either vote for Trump or leave the spot for president blank.
I doubt there is much Harris and Walz themselves can do to convince these people. They are more likely to be swayed by hearing about more Republicans voting for her. That may give some the permission structure they're looking for. But I'm not holding out a lot of hope for people who are willing to ignore so many of Trump's crimes because he didn't victimize them.
"Most undecided voters are people who normally vote for Republicans but don't like Donald Trump."
Those are just the ones that get asked to be on tv. I think we've heard about plenty of nominally Democratic voters who are supposedly on the fence about Gaza, though it seems thats more of a decision of whether or not to vote at all, rather than deciding between Trump and Harris - thought it doesn't seem to dawn on many of them that not voting is effectively voting for Trump. And, their being largely brown people who are immigrants or possibly 2nd or 3rd gen (but still brown) and not so-called "salt of the earth" white people from the midwest or the South, the networks aren't all that interested in hearing their views on the matter.
Vance said he will make up shit, "so that the … media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people." Suffering? I think there's a more fitting description, and it rhymes with "bassist hitching." He's the poster child for the Grievances Only Party.
Another reminder that having an Ivy League education doesn't make you smart. Which is ironic of course because its the Republicans constantly denigrating the Ivies while they all seem obsessed with attending them.....
I give the assassination story until Wednesday before the country moves on to something else. Which goes to show how common this is now. The Haitian story will probably be done with by the end of the week but the death threats will continue. This is the "new normal" now. Needless to say, republicans are making up fake social media accounts for this guy now.
Is there not a way to block someone on this platform? There is someone posting here who is saying wildly unreasonable things, and whose personal feed has likes for overtly transphobic and antisemitic comments and posts. No, just no. It's vile. If we can't block that BS (or cannot without a paid subscription, which might be a thing I can do someday but not now) I won't be participating on this platform.
Maddeningly, I went to their profile and found and used the "block" option--and it didn't work! I'm back here refreshing the page multiple times and going back and forth between the comments and the article, and it only blocks this person if I actually go to their profile page.
I'm going to go there now and see if I can also "mute" them and if that makes a difference.
I found data from the Pew Research Center that showed "About two-thirds (66%) of the voting-eligible population turned out for the 2020 presidential election – the highest rate for any national election since 1900." That high water mark - during COVID when a lot of states had much easier mail in voting - is a pretty damning indicator about our lack of participation in voting as a nation. Of course, there are serious barriers to registration and many people who struggle to vote because of job conflict or registration. But I think the American population is not so much undecided as uninformed and uninterested in voting.
NYTimes can keep finding random people who are so seriously delusional that they're representing this as a choice between two reasonable alternatives. You can always find someone to say something dumb to a reporter if you look hard enough. But as this piece noted, the people who might stay home are the real problem.
If it was a joke, it should be amusing at the very least. That shit is not amusing, & if you have to tell people that something is amusing/is a joke, then you've failed at comedy.
I am so fucking sick of people using "It was only a joke" as a defense for their shitty politics and opinions. Loomer said her curry comment was "just as joke" and now Musk is saying his comments about no one targeting Biden or Harris for assassination was also "a joke."
It should go without saying that if you think an assassination attempt is fertile ground for comedy, touch grass.
Better yet, never touch a keyboard.
Or else like the New Hampshire Libertarian party who xitted out that Harris and Walz should be assassinated and then hid behind the (extremely wrong) position that calling for a politician's assassination was covered by the first amendment.
I mean, they can SAY it. Just don't expect to dodge consequences for it.
But, then again, this IS the Libertarian party we're talking about. They want all the benefits of living in a society without the responsibility of contributing to it.
It's the reason why no one takes them seriously.
Ayn Rand fans who think they're brilliant and original, despite understanding the world and human history about as well as over-praised 9th graders.
FFS, and just saw that they then deleted it because "even on a 'free speech' website, Libertarians can't speak freely" and they are "truly the most oppressed minority."
The irony of Elon mocking the assassination attempt is that by downplaying it to Trump's supporters it likely doesn't give him the boost it might otherwise, and the media will move on soon enough since there isn't much to it. Which is just further evidence of how much of an idiot he is who is just desperate to be liked.
And Loomer making curry jokes? The only people who are buying the "just joking" nonsense are already firmly ensconced in Trump World, but the rest, including those who insist on believing the the GOP aren't "really" racist are seeing in real time just how much bullshit that has always been, as well as noting that JD Vance would rather suck up to Trump and his side piece than show his wife and children a little dignity by at least calling it out. But then this a guy who can't walk into a donut shop without acting like someone who has never interacted with a human being before, so there's that......
Dude, the threats and assasination attempts are coming from inside the house. It's republican on republican violence. Congrats on punching yourself in the face here.
I said it in 2020 and I'll say it now: if you are undecided about who you're voting for this election, you are either one of the most uninformed dipshits on the face of the planet, or a liar. These people are all voting for Trump. They just want to wring their hands and act like it was a hard choice.
Like, really, Trump has shown who he is openly for decades. What is left to know?
I talked to my dad recently and he declared himself a never Trumper after voting for him twice before. January 6th and the last 4 years thankfully opened his eyes and hes finally realized Trump was as shitty as I always said he was. I am glad he came around but wish more people could have done so sooner.
That's nice to hear.
They're so massively bigoted that they can't bring themselves to vote for Harris even though she's clearly the only stable adult.
“Undecided” voters also mean people who want attention, like that guy from the post-DNC panel who said Harris' speech made him decide to vote for Trump or some guy who said he was “considering” voting for Harris, but her supposed “lack of clarity” during the debate made him switch to Trump.
Oh, they definitely want attention and to be on television. And our idiot media indulges them like they're serious people rather than the type who would've signed up for the Jerry Springer show 15-20 years ago.
I think there are undecided voters who are former/current Republicans who have decided that they won't vote for Trump but haven't decided if they will vote for Harris--so they are undecided between not voting for any candidate for president or voting Harris. Anyone who is even considering voting Trump is not undecided.
I don't know why, but the I hate Taylor tweet (or wherever he posted it) was honestly the most unhinged thing, for me, of alllll the unhinged things lately. Like, it's SO insane that he thinks acting like a 14 year old writing in a burn book is a good look on him?! And, that he keeps drawing attention to the fact that the biggest star in the world endorsed his opponent. Even for someone that is SO sick in the head, the fact that his addled brain, plus his sycophant loser team, thought this was a GOOD thing to do?! What the hell...
And these 'undecided' voters. Come on now. They are not undecided. Nobody is. I just don't believe it. These people that are like, I want to see DETAILED policy points from Kamala, would A) never read or digest them, and B) even if they did, they would still say it's not enough. And it's easy for a liar to say he has a plan, not so easy for someone who IS NOT a liar to lay out an actual plan that would work for inflation, without filling us all with a bunch of BS. Sure, these people might believe Trump has a 'plan', but all his plan is, is bitching and blaming. That's not a plan. He just sounds angry about it, so people think he can solve it. Because people are stupid. God I hate this all so much.
I trust Harris not to make empty promises about getting prices down. Corporate greed is the root of the steep increases, but that piece of honesty doesn't sell. Mean while, Trump lies about everything and the knuckle draggers in his cult buy it hook, line, and sinker. Harris needs to keep calling him out on his garbage bromides about tax cuts and tariffs everyday.
Try telling a bunch of Indiana rednecks that their grocery bills are the reward of unfettered capitalism. Isn't this what you wanted?! Isn't capitalism GLORIOUS. Kinda like blaming Pete B. for privately-owned train derailments.... this is what happens when you demonized regulation.
Yup. What those folks actually want is what Republicans have convinced them is "communism".
Can you show us how there was no corporate greed before the price increases and then corporate greed appeared and caused the price increases?
You seem to not understand that when you see a change in an outcome like the rate of inflation, you have to show that the cause you're attributing it to also changed prior to the outcome. That's called "cause and effect".
C’mon dude.
https://www.newsweek.com/kroger-executive-admits-company-gouged-prices-above-inflation-1945742
I can't watch those panels with "undecided voters" anymore. It's just a bunch of "people who want to vote for Trump but don't want their sane friends and family members to uninvite them to Thanksgiving voters".
Or I want to be on TV.
The usual delusion of "I'm a deeply thoughtful, independent type who must really mull over my careful, logical, totally objective decisions."
"The holdouts — as in so many situations I’ve seen — are waiting for Harris to announce a plan that will cater to their individual needs."
This, EXACTLY, and this is why I have nothing but weary, eye-rolling contempt for "undecided voters."
Just change "undecided" to "insufficiently ass-kissed, entitled, narcissistic, everything-that's-wrong-with-2024-America" voters.
Hey, mushroom cap - NEWSFLASH: You're not shopping for financing on a new truck. You're not trying to decide which HOA president is going to bring better food trucks to the bocce courts and lower the snowplowing bill. OTHER PEOPLE'S NEEDS MATTER.
If you want to pinpoint what makes ugly Americans ugly, it's that we have "consumers" in lieu of citizens.
Encourage the undecided voters in your life to make the smart choice, and stay home. If they're still genuinely wrestling with whether to put a 78-yr-old man who tweets "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT" (what the actual f***???!!!) in charge of The Button, they're too stupid for responsible self-government.
The goddamned whining entitlement is overwhelming. Not one of these head-up-their-own-ass losers are looking at building a healthy community -- it's all about zeroing in on as much of the pie they can get. "What about my SUBSIDIES! I don't want *brown* neighbors!"
‘Consumers in lieu of citizens’ is so right on
I had to turn off Pod Save America's latest because they were all in on the polling data, undecided voters, and reaching out these yahoos because in their minds it's always 1992 or 2008 and their brains have been colonized by David Axlerod and Paul Begala. All the undecided voters are white voters, either rural or suburban and their main point of contention is that Kamala hasn't made them feel like the special little ponies they are. It's tiring. Really tiring. These are clearly Republicans who know that their candidate is a barking loon, and are pining for the days when the quiet part was exactly that. The endless whining about how the debate was unfair is undercut a bit by the profound silence about the last debate, which was fiiiiine. Just like the 2016 election was fiiiine and 2020 was obviously a crazily corrupt abomination because their guy lost. Roy Cohn's awful strategies and tactics are reaching out from the grave to destroy the country. 10 years of this and now the Trumpies are complaining about a lack of civility in the public sphere? The endless noise of conspiracies, complaints, and bullshit has resulted in exactly what Steve Bannon wanted: complete chaos. Because MAGA only thrives in chaos.
I listen to that pod sometimes, but it's a lot. It might be that four white guys talking off each other isn't what I want right now.
Stop giving The New York Times your money. They like Trump and want him to win.
I don't even subscribe to Cooking anymore. It was the last thing I was giving them money for. I just can't anymore.
Not sure I can post. But if you live in California you can get the NYT for free at the ibrary. Online NYT. They are not especially pro -Trump. The op-eds have many POVs.
Most undecided voters are people who normally vote for Republicans but don't like Donald Trump. They are undecided because they want to vote for him, but cannot bring themselves to vote for a Democrat, a Black person, and/pr a woman. It could be all three things holding them back, or just one. When it comes down to it, they will either vote for Trump or leave the spot for president blank.
I doubt there is much Harris and Walz themselves can do to convince these people. They are more likely to be swayed by hearing about more Republicans voting for her. That may give some the permission structure they're looking for. But I'm not holding out a lot of hope for people who are willing to ignore so many of Trump's crimes because he didn't victimize them.
"Most undecided voters are people who normally vote for Republicans but don't like Donald Trump."
Those are just the ones that get asked to be on tv. I think we've heard about plenty of nominally Democratic voters who are supposedly on the fence about Gaza, though it seems thats more of a decision of whether or not to vote at all, rather than deciding between Trump and Harris - thought it doesn't seem to dawn on many of them that not voting is effectively voting for Trump. And, their being largely brown people who are immigrants or possibly 2nd or 3rd gen (but still brown) and not so-called "salt of the earth" white people from the midwest or the South, the networks aren't all that interested in hearing their views on the matter.
Vance said he will make up shit, "so that the … media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people." Suffering? I think there's a more fitting description, and it rhymes with "bassist hitching." He's the poster child for the Grievances Only Party.
Getting people to "pay attention" to suffering... by *causing* more suffering.
Another reminder that having an Ivy League education doesn't make you smart. Which is ironic of course because its the Republicans constantly denigrating the Ivies while they all seem obsessed with attending them.....
I give the assassination story until Wednesday before the country moves on to something else. Which goes to show how common this is now. The Haitian story will probably be done with by the end of the week but the death threats will continue. This is the "new normal" now. Needless to say, republicans are making up fake social media accounts for this guy now.
Is there not a way to block someone on this platform? There is someone posting here who is saying wildly unreasonable things, and whose personal feed has likes for overtly transphobic and antisemitic comments and posts. No, just no. It's vile. If we can't block that BS (or cannot without a paid subscription, which might be a thing I can do someday but not now) I won't be participating on this platform.
Maddeningly, I went to their profile and found and used the "block" option--and it didn't work! I'm back here refreshing the page multiple times and going back and forth between the comments and the article, and it only blocks this person if I actually go to their profile page.
I'm going to go there now and see if I can also "mute" them and if that makes a difference.
I found data from the Pew Research Center that showed "About two-thirds (66%) of the voting-eligible population turned out for the 2020 presidential election – the highest rate for any national election since 1900." That high water mark - during COVID when a lot of states had much easier mail in voting - is a pretty damning indicator about our lack of participation in voting as a nation. Of course, there are serious barriers to registration and many people who struggle to vote because of job conflict or registration. But I think the American population is not so much undecided as uninformed and uninterested in voting.
NYTimes can keep finding random people who are so seriously delusional that they're representing this as a choice between two reasonable alternatives. You can always find someone to say something dumb to a reporter if you look hard enough. But as this piece noted, the people who might stay home are the real problem.
I can't with "It was only a joke!"
If it was a joke, it should be amusing at the very least. That shit is not amusing, & if you have to tell people that something is amusing/is a joke, then you've failed at comedy.
I had read the "would-be assassin" was a "leftie"
I dont know if relieved is the right word to use in learning that that's apparently not the case.
But it does make more sense, to me I guess, that it is a disinfected "conservative"
I'm sure Trump will spin it how he will, and his base will accept it however he does.
Now?
They always have been.